Spare Bombers

[ChefEd]

Sept 30, 2023 6:32:41 GMT -8 Grondeaux said:

Good morning, CAPT Pierce,

Me and the crew of Flat Foot Floogie II are going to need an aircraft for the Ferrara mission. SSGT Reckowski and the ground crew are still working to repair the damage from that wheel's up landing we made on Wednesday.

V/r,
1LT Adam MacIntosh, Command Pilot
B-24J Flat Foot Floogie II
78th BS, 509th BG (H), 15th AF

Approved.

Please see M/Sgt Enriquez for the keys to Sweet Routine (B-24D-10-CO-42-40243).

Good hunting.

Capt Pierce

[limburger59]

Requesting the use of B-17 Bonnie (B-17F-90BO-42-30233) on Mission 6, by the crew of the Great Expectations, as our bomber has not finished repairs.

1LT Peter Dickins, commanding 
B-17 Great Expectations 
80th Sqdn

[ChefEd]

Sept 30, 2023 19:09:56 GMT -8 limburger59 said:

Requesting the use of B-17 Bonnie (B-17F-90BO-42-30233) on Mission 6, by the crew of the Great Expectations, as our bomber has not finished repairs.

1LT Peter Dickins, commanding 
B-17 Great Expectations 
80th Sqdn

Approved.

Please see M/Sgt Enriquez for the keys.

Capt Pierce

[Keltos]

Sir,

requesting one Hanger Queen to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 6:

A Bit o' Honey (B-17F-20BO-41-24530) to fly with the 80th Sqdn

Respectfully,

[ChefEd]

Oct 4, 2023 22:23:30 GMT -8 Keltos said:

Sir,

requesting one Hanger Queen to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 6:

A Bit o' Honey (B-17F-20BO-41-24530) to fly with the 80th Sqdn

Respectfully,

Approved.

Please see M/Sgt Enriquez for the keys to A Bit o' Honey (B-17F-20BO-41-24530).



Please see Capt Shea, in Personnel, for crew assignments.



Capt Pierce

[Keltos]

Sir,

the hanger queen below:

A Bit o' Honey (B-17F-20BO-41-24530) landed safely after mission #6 with the 80th Sqdn

Currently under maintenance, it will be available on 31 January 1944

Respectfully,

1st Lt Scott Livingston

[Grondeaux]

30 January 1944

CAPT Pierce,

Sweet Routine (B-24D-10-CO-42-40243) is returning to the spare aircraft pool after the Ferrara mission. A couple of holes that have been patched, but she's in good shape otherwise. 

V/r,
1LT Adam MacIntosh, Command Pilot
B-24J Flat Foot Floogie II
78th BS, 509th BG (H), 15th AF

[Keltos]

Sir,

requesting one Hanger Queen to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 7:

Screwball Express (B-17F-40BO-42-5175) to fly with the 80th Sqdn

Respectfully,

[ChefEd]

Oct 20, 2023 0:09:49 GMT -8 Keltos said:

Sir,

requesting one Hanger Queen to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 7:

Screwball Express (B-17F-40BO-42-5175) to fly with the 80th Sqdn

Respectfully,

Approved.



Please see M/Sgt Enriquez to check out Screwball Express (B-17F-40BO-42-5175).


Capt Pierce

[Keltos]

Oct 20, 2023 3:56:46 GMT -8 ChefEd said:

Oct 20, 2023 0:09:49 GMT -8 Keltos said:

Sir,

requesting one Hanger Queen to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 7:

Screwball Express (B-17F-40BO-42-5175) to fly with the 80th Sqdn

Respectfully,

Approved.



Please see M/Sgt Enriquez to check out Screwball Express (B-17F-40BO-42-5175).


Capt Pierce

Sir,

the hanger queen Screwball Express returned from mission #7 with minor damage.

Return to duty on 9 february 1944

1st Lt. Devine

[limburger59]

Requesting three Hanger Queens to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 8:
        B-17F Bonnie to fly with the 80th Sqdn
        B-17F Star Eyes to fly with the 79th Sqdn
        B-24 Fire Belle to fly with the 78th Sqdn

To return to the Spare Pool after Mission 8.

By order of Col Cal Moody

[ChefEd]

Oct 30, 2023 10:39:46 GMT -8 limburger59 said:

Requesting three Hanger Queens to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 8:
        B-17F Bonnie to fly with the 80th Sqdn
        B-17F Star Eyes to fly with the 79th Sqdn
        B-24 Fire Belle to fly with the 78th Sqdn

To return to the Spare Pool after Mission 8.

By order of Col Cal Moody

Approved,

Please see M/Sgt Enriquez to check out these aircraft.

Capt Pierce

[kozzackkelt]

Crew of MISS GRIZZ request permission to use < Green Hornet (B-17F-110BO-42-30547) > for mission 8 to Toulon. Thank you Sir ! Lt. Dutton

[ChefEd]

Nov 3, 2023 11:18:16 GMT -8 kozzackkelt said:

Crew of MISS GRIZZ request permission to use < Green Hornet (B-17F-110BO-42-30547) > for mission 8 to Toulon. Thank you Sir ! Lt. Dutton

Approved,



Please see M/Sgt Enriquez to check out this aircraft.



Capt Pierce

[limburger59]

Oct 30, 2023 12:50:59 GMT -8 ChefEd said:

Oct 30, 2023 10:39:46 GMT -8 limburger59 said:

Requesting three Hanger Queens to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 8:
        B-17F Bonnie to fly with the 80th Sqdn
        B-17F Star Eyes to fly with the 79th Sqdn
        B-24 Fire Belle to fly with the 78th Sqdn

To return to the Spare Pool after Mission 8.

By order of Col Cal Moody

Approved,

Please see M/Sgt Enriquez to check out these aircraft.

Capt Pierce

Status after Mission 8:
        B-17F Bonnie returned and will be repaired overnight.
        B-17F Star Eyes crashed on landing and declared CAT-E
        B-24 Fire Belle lost over Toulon

[tomt1999]

TEMPORARY BOMBER REPLACEMENT REQUEST

CALL HOUSE MADAM (B-17F-40BO-42-5198) -> 80TH BS TO REPLACE PRIVATE DIX DURING REPAIRS.

EXPECT TO RETURN: AFTER MISSION 9

GILLEPSIE

[ChefEd]

Nov 11, 2023 7:09:44 GMT -8 tomt1999 said:

TEMPORARY BOMBER REPLACEMENT REQUEST

CALL HOUSE MADAM (B-17F-40BO-42-5198) -> 80TH BS TO REPLACE PRIVATE DIX DURING REPAIRS.

EXPECT TO RETURN: AFTER MISSION 9

GILLEPSIE

Approved.



Please see M/Sgt Enriquez for the keys.


Capt Pierce

[kozzackkelt]

B-17F Green Hornet returned to Spare Pool. Thank You Sir. Lt. Dutton.

[tomt1999]

Regret to inform you that CALL HOUSE MADAM is at the bottom of the Adriatic. Scratch one spare.

DELOZIER

Nov 11, 2023 8:43:03 GMT -8 ChefEd said:

Nov 11, 2023 7:09:44 GMT -8 tomt1999 said:

TEMPORARY BOMBER REPLACEMENT REQUEST

CALL HOUSE MADAM (B-17F-40BO-42-5198) -> 80TH BS TO REPLACE PRIVATE DIX DURING REPAIRS.

EXPECT TO RETURN: AFTER MISSION 9

GILLEPSIE

Approved.

Please see M/Sgt Enriquez for the keys.

Capt Pierce

[Grondeaux]

16 February 1944

To: CAPT Bruno Pierce, S-4

From: CAPT Roger Oveur, S-7

RE: Orphaned a/c

It has been brought to my attention that we have an orphaned bomber on our hands in the 80th, due to a foul-up in the paperwork. Private Dix, a B-17F, is now without a crew. Her crew, with 1LT William Gillespie in command, was lost along with Call House Madam yesterday.

In what has become rather typical of Army paperwork of late, a 1LT West reported in to my office this morning for squadron assignment along with his crew. The information I had received from 15th AF HQ was that West would be reporting in without an aircraft assigned to them. I had planned to assign them to Private Dix which is a good ship, judging from the eight mission marks painted on her. Much to my surprise, LT West informed me that he and his crew had flown over with their own G model B-17, Mountain Men. So much for the accuracy of Army paperwork.

We thus find ourselves with Private Dix on our hands with no crew assigned to the bomber. I recommend that the aircraft be assigned to the spare pool.

[ChefEd]

Nov 15, 2023 6:45:40 GMT -8 Grondeaux said:

16 February 1944

To: CAPT Bruno Pierce, S-4

From: CAPT Roger Oveur, S-7

RE: Orphaned a/c

It has been brought to my attention that we have an orphaned bomber on our hands in the 80th, due to a foul-up in the paperwork. Private Dix, a B-17F, is now without a crew. Her crew, with 1LT William Gillespie in command, was lost along with Call House Madam yesterday.

In what has become rather typical of Army paperwork of late, a 1LT West reported in to my office this morning for squadron assignment along with his crew. The information I had received from 15th AF HQ was that West would be reporting in without an aircraft assigned to them. I had planned to assign them to Private Dix which is a good ship, judging from the eight mission marks painted on her. Much to my surprise, LT West informed me that he and his crew had flown over with their own G model B-17, Mountain Men. So much for the accuracy of Army paperwork.

We thus find ourselves with Private Dix on our hands with no crew assigned to the bomber. I recommend that the aircraft be assigned to the spare pool.

To: CAPT Roger Oveur, S-7


From: CAPT Bruno Pierce, S-4


RE: Orphaned a/c

Consider it done.

B. Pierce

[limburger59]

Requesting three Hanger Queens to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 9:

    B-17F Bonnie to fly with the 80th Sqdn

    B-17F Screwball Express to fly with the 79th Sqdn

    B-24D Temptacious to fly with the 78th Sqdn



By order of Col Cal Moody

[ChefEd]

Nov 15, 2023 16:30:52 GMT -8 limburger59 said:

Requesting three Hanger Queens to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 9:

    B-17F Bonnie to fly with the 80th Sqdn

    B-17F Screwball Express to fly with the 79th Sqdn

    B-24D Temptacious to fly with the 78th Sqdn



By order of Col Cal Moody

Approved.

Please see M/Sgt Enriquez for the keys.

Capt Pierce

[tomt1999]

Changes regarding the B-17G model?

I assume the bombardier cannot man the chin gun in the target zone because he's focusing on bombing?

Anything else? Is there a table or chart somewhere?

Thanks,

TomT

[ChefEd]

Nov 18, 2023 10:43:20 GMT -8 tomt1999 said:

Changes regarding the B-17G model?

I assume the bombardier cannot man the chin gun in the target zone because he's focusing on bombing?

Anything else? Is there a table or chart somewhere?

Thanks,

TomT

I have not seen one for the B-17G, but I have seen one for the B-24J. On the B-24J, the Navigator can also man the Nose Turret. Below is how the crew can be realigned for the 24J. You might be able to apply tis (somewhat) to the 17G.

Pilot

Co-Pilot

Navigator / NT

Bombardier

Engineer

Radio Op / Waist

Rt Waist / NT
Ball Turret

Left Waist / NT

Tail Gunner

I tend to send the Right Waist to man the Nose Gun, the Navigator to the radio room, and the Radio Op to the Right Waist.


Ed

[limburger59]

Nov 18, 2023 10:43:20 GMT -8 tomt1999 said:

Changes regarding the B-17G model?

I assume the bombardier cannot man the chin gun in the target zone because he's focusing on bombing?

Anything else? Is there a table or chart somewhere?

Thanks,

TomT

There is no hard rule regarding the Bombardier manning the nose gun or Chin Turret on either the F or G models. There has been debate over the years and the 509th doesn’t have a House Rule. Here is one discussion on BGG boardgamegeek.com/thread/423854/article/3688505#3688505 . I recall another discussion where a player would only have his Bombardier man the gun(s) on the first wave. If there were multiple waves the Bombardier was focused on the Norden bombsight and couldn’t shoot. Maybe Jim Pink jasta6 has insight.

[jasta6]

Nov 19, 2023 20:57:08 GMT -8 limburger59 said:

Nov 18, 2023 10:43:20 GMT -8 tomt1999 said:

Changes regarding the B-17G model?

I assume the bombardier cannot man the chin gun in the target zone because he's focusing on bombing?

Anything else? Is there a table or chart somewhere?

Thanks,

TomT

There is no hard rule regarding the Bombardier manning the nose gun or Chin Turret on either the F or G models. There has been debate over the years and the 509th doesn’t have a House Rule. Here is one discussion on BGG boardgamegeek.com/thread/423854/article/3688505#3688505 . I recall another discussion where a player would only have his Bombardier man the gun(s) on the first wave. If there were multiple waves the Bombardier was focused on the Norden bombsight and couldn’t shoot. Maybe Jim Pink jasta6 has insight.

Tom, I Agree with Lou 100%.  I do have my personal house rule that I have used in campaigns I am in.  It is based off the one mentioned by Lou above, Bombardier only shoots in the first wave, but of course... I modified it a little.  Can't help myself.  Here is my house rule for both B-17:QotS and TfT;

House rule:
First I divide the Zone attacks into three phases, representing three time segments. This way I can assignee each attacking German wave to a phase.  If there are three waves they are assigned with wave one going to phase 1, wave two goes to phase three, etc.  If there is only two enemy fighter waves attacking then I roll 1D6.  Using an even/odd roll to see where the first wave goes, If Even the first wave is in phase 1, if Odd the first wave is in phase 2.  If the first wave is in phase 2 then the remaining fighter wave is in phase three.  If the first wave is in phase one then I use the even/odd roll to see where to place it.  In a one wave attack, I just roll a 1D6 with these results, a 1 or 2 being the first phase, 3 or 4 being the second phase and 5-6 being the third phase.

Now you can cross reference the below chart to see if the bombardier can shoot at the attacking fighters;

House Rule-Bombardier Attacks in Target Zone:

	Phase 1 Initial Attack	Phase 1 1st Successive	Phase 1 2nd Successive	Phase 2 Initial Attack	Phase 2 1st Successive	Phase 2 2nd Successive	Phase 3 Initial Attack	Phase 3 1st Successive	Phase 3 2nd Successive
Can Bombardier Attack?	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO

[limburger59]

Nov 15, 2023 16:30:52 GMT -8 limburger59 said:

Requesting three Hanger Queens to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 9:

    B-17F Bonnie to fly with the 80th Sqdn
    B-17F Screwball Express to fly with the 79th Sqdn
    B-24D Temptacious to fly with the 78th Sqdn

By order of Col Cal Moody

All three bombers returned from Mission 9.

[limburger59]

Requesting three Hanger Queens to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 10 to Anzio:
        B-17F A Bit o' Honey to fly with the 80th Sqdn
        B-17F Butcher's Daughter to fly with the 79th Sqdn
        B-24 Jersey Bounce to fly with the 78th Sqdn

To return to the Spare Pool after Mission 10.

By order of Col Cal Moody

[ChefEd]

Nov 26, 2023 17:18:06 GMT -8 limburger59 said:

Requesting three Hanger Queens to be manned by Spare Crews for Mission 10 to Anzio:
        B-17F A Bit o' Honey to fly with the 80th Sqdn
        B-17F Butcher's Daughter to fly with the 79th Sqdn
        B-24 Jersey Bounce to fly with the 78th Sqdn

To return to the Spare Pool after Mission 10.

By order of Col Cal Moody

Sir,

The indicated aircraft will ready on their hardstands.

Capt Pierce